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xfinity. the future of awesome. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." have a good night. i'm donny deutch. >> i'm mark halperin. "with all due respect" to everybody else, biden is back, baby. roll tape. >> no one ever doubts i mean what i say. the problem is i sometimes say all that i mean. i mean this sincerely. i mean this sincerely. this is not hyperbole. >> i really mean this. >> no, i really mean it. no i really mean it. all kidding aside, i really mean this. maybe it's just me. >> i give you my word as a biden, my word as a biden. >> let's state the obvious. >> don't cheer. just listen. >> he married up. sorry, guys. it's kind of a family thing. i became the obama whisperer. >> this is not a joke.
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this is real. >> it's such a bunch of malarkey. >> just the facts, ma'am. nothing but the facts. that was joe friday, actually. we literally have a great show tonight. donald j. trump starts the week amid more questions about not just his chances of winning the white house, but also about the very viability he has as the gop nominee. so he did what donald trump often does when facing doubts about his candidacy. he gave a scripted speech. today, he was in youngstown, ohio where he laid out more about his plans for combatting terrorism at home and around the world. trump called for a quick and complete eradication of isis, for finding common ground with russia and a halt to immigration without background searches.
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while continuing to frame hillary clinton as weak on terrorism, he proposed a test for immigrants coming into america. here are some highlights. >> hillary clinton lacks the judgment as said by bernie sanders, stability and temperament and the moral character to lead our nation. she also lacks the mental and physical stamina to take on isis. we should only admit into this country those who share our values and respect our people. the time is overdue to develop a new screening test for the threats we face today. i call it extreme vetting. in addition to screening out all members of the sympathizers of terrorist groups, we must also screen out any of hostile attitudes toward our country or its principles or who believe that sharia law should supplant
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american law. those who do not believe in our constitution or who support bigotry and hatred will not be admitted for immigration into our country. to put these new procedures in place, we will have to temporarily suspend immigration from some of the most dangerous and volatile regions of the world that have a history of exporting terrorism. the support networks for radical islam in this country will be stripped out and removed one by one viciously if necessary. those who are guests in our country that are preaching hate will be asked to return home immediately and if they don't do it, we will return them home. >> so what he unveiled today, we always ask, is it good policy and is it good politics? >> let's talk about the policy. he wants to have this extreme vetting. let's do a little role play here. you are on ellis island and you
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ask me the question, you say donny, or whatever my name is, would you -- do you believe in sharia law as opposed to american law. >> no. >> no, no, thank you very much. you are kninto our country. there's a little silliness to it. we are getting out of the nation building business, which is ironic because the very reason he called barack obama the founder of isis last week was because obama was basically getting out of the nation building business, pulling our troops out of iraq. there's a certain contradiction there. i find it interesting that he talked that hillary clinton doesn't have the physical stamina. is that because she's a woman, because they are going to start to put all the stroke stuff out there that she's not physically up to the task? i thought that was a gender thing. none of this matters, though. none of this matters. just like his economics speech last week. policy is not going to be decided at this point. temperament, now he's using the temperament word in his thing. 56% to 31%, he is not fit to be president. until that changes he's not going to do it on policy.
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>> i think that the policy stuff, you know, saying you will have this special test, i agree it's complicated. i do think americans would like to see a better system for keeping people out of the country. this is an opening bid at least on that. on alliances around the world, i think that is relatively good politics. i'm not sure it's horrible policy to say we are going to need to ally with people who share our interests. again, trump is trying to tap into dissatisfaction with how things are going, how people are feeling about the war against isis even though president obama's marks are up. i think in general, people are nervous about it. i think today was fine. the problem is, as you said, one, this isn't his current problem. two, i don't know that he can sustain it. he did not seem to my ear and eye to be particularly engaged with this topic today. he did not seem to be giving this speech with gusto. once again it was a little bit dark. americans want to know we are going to win with optimism, not just face a lifetime of very tough choices overseas.
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>> he's never engaged on script. this was the twin pillar to the economic. it was solid, meat and potatoes. but it's not in his eyes when he's not going off script. >> should have practiced it more. >> last week was a rough one for donald trump when it came to how he's polling in battleground states. this week is certainly not starting much better. a new cbs poll in florida has hillary clinton up by five points, 45% to 40%. another cbs survey in new hampshire, a state trump once listed among his strongest swing states has him down nine points. and georgia, a typically red state, looks now like a competitive race. trump leads 45% to 41% but it's within the margin of error. all this as various news organizations crunching the numbers and predicting a big electoral college win for clinton. even the "wall street journal" is raising alarm that the republican nominee might need to be replaced and soon. the paper's editorial board wrote quote, if they can't get mr. trump to change his act by labor day, the gop will have no
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choice but to write off the nominee as hopeless and focus on salvaging the senate and house and other down ballot races. as for mr. trump he needs to stop blaming everyone else and decide if he wants to behave like someone who wants to be president, or turn the nomination over to mike pence. we are more than a month away and the debates and early voting starts in october. it's clear the national republicans are willing to dump donald trump under certain circumstances. what do you think is the actual deadline for something like this to happen? >> i had thought until this past week they were going to give him until the first debate. i'm now hearing skepticism from republicans. the debate schedule's up in the air. it's currently not scheduled to start until late september. i don't think anybody thinks hillary clinton's going to come into that debate unprepared. the chances that trump turns everything around on the strength of a debate in late september seems pretty remote to a lot of people i'm talking to. i don't think they will give him until the first debate anymore. if he doesn't turn it sooner, you will see pressure. now, republicans, the rnc said trump is raising all our money. a lot of donors aren't giving right now who will give.
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is it a net dollar for dollar change, no. but if his numbers haven't improved by shortly after labor day i believe there will be a strong push whose chances are possible to succeed that they abandon him the way bob dole was abandoned. >> i agree. politico wrote that no president or no candidate has had numbers like he's had and has won the popular vote in the history of taking this down. so it is very bad. i actually believe something else is going to start to happen in the next few weeks if things don't turn around. i said this awhile ago and turned around but i'm coming back to it. i can see trump bailing. i can't see us ever getting to the point where election night, trump becomes george mcgovern. he's not going to -- it's just not in his system. it's very interesting. i spoke to a clinton staffer who said the thing they are most afraid of, and there's a date i think september 15th where they can't put somebody else in, is him bailing out and mitt romney or something. i see him dropping the mic, i got to do what's best for the country. >> he's not dropping out before the first debate. he thinks he can win it at the
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first debate. >> my point is drop out at some point. i cannot see him with the rest his life, the big l on his head. >> early voting basically starts everywhere in october, obviously. ohio, october 4th. you can't just turn things around on october 4th. you got to turn it around in the run-up. >> he can do whatever he wants. >> i'm saying in terms of the party. he's not going to drop out. >> you are talking about the party. it is not beyond, i have heard this from some people also who know him, that -- i'm a manhattan guy. >> he's staying in but he may do it under a lot of head winds unless he can turn things around quick which he can do. now is the time when we cut the malarkey. hillary clinton got a little help from her old friend joe biden in scranton, pennsylvania. that's of course the same town where her family has deep roots. there was a bevy of biden classics on offer throughout the day including a slightly awkward tarmac hug that kept going and going and going.
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release, joe, release. there was also -- release. release. there was also some of biden's usual folksy banter. >> good to be home with so many friends as i look around. i matter of fact, one of the people in the reception line said my aunt owns your house. tell her i'm coming. i'm coming home. i was there when i was running and up in the bedroom, written on the wall, still is "joe biden slept here." then it said "lived here." i'm glad they added the "lived here" part. >> as with every biden event, it wasn't just humor. there were also a lot of moments of high emotion. >> if my sonere still in iraq, and i said all those who are there, the threat to their life has gone up a couple clicks.
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it's gone up a couple clicks. you saw what's happening in turkey. some in turkey are accusing us of being part of the coup attempt. ladies and gentlemen, does he have any idea the adverse consequence these outlandish comments have on our allies, our friends and the physical safety of our troops? this guy doesn't care about the middle class. and i don't even blame him in a sense because he doesn't understand it. he doesn't have a clue. what hillary's all about is making sure that every one of you, every one of you, can look your child and your grandchild in the eye and say honey, i mean this sincerely, everything's going to be okay. hillary understands that the most damaging thing to a parent is to look at a talented child or a sick child or a child in need and not be able to do anything.
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>> lot of good joe biden there. great talker. wants clinton elected. what can biden do between now and election day to help hillary clinton besides we talk about this appeal to white working class voters in pennsylvania and other battleground states? >> we saw his brand and as far as i'm concerned, he's everybody's favorite uncle where he puts his arm around you, you trust him and you want to have a beer with him. that cuts across party lines. when he talked about his son, that he would throw himself before he would let his late son, who was a vet, go over there and talked about parenting and talked about everything's going to be okay, he will continue to be the surrogate to let people know things might not be okay with trump as commander in chief. that will be his message. it will be done in a folksy way and he will talk the rust belt and talk the economy but that's the uncle who puts his arm around you and says we can't do this. >> i totally agree. this national security thing is a big deal. not everybody is going to have their heartstring tugged when he
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talks about beau biden but a lot of democrats and military families will. he's got credibility on that issue. none of the other big surrogates can speak with that kind of authority. so yes, blue collar economics but also national security and national security experience. now, republicans will often say joe biden has been wrong about a lot of stuff on national security but in the context of september, october rallies, campaigning, robocalls, fund-raising events, she's got obama, got her husband, president obama, but she's got another big surrogate in joe biden. >> i picture her with the football and she's got pulling guards in front of her. biden, michelle obama, barack obama, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, who can all pick and who does trump have running in front of him? rudy giuliani? mike huckabee. exactly. >> big blocker. >> yeah. >> up next, there's a big scandal war under way. what both presidential campaigns are saying about the other side and whether anything will stick. that when we come back.
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both major psidential campaigns say they want this election to be fought out over the issues. but they are both also spending a lot of time trying to get the media interested in controversies about their rivals. lately, trump campaign has been expressing outrage that some clinton related stories aren't getting more coverage. among them, reports that an allegedly undercredentialed clinton foundation donor was appointed at the insistence of clinton's state department staff to a highly sensitive board that advises the secretary of state on nuclear security. we are also expecting to see more e-mails from long time clinton aide huma abidine whose status as a special government employee was clinton was sek sta tear of state are still under scrutiny and the fbi is preparing to give congress notes from its investigations of clinton's e-mails along with a summary of the evidence they uncovered during that probe. so will these flaps, these
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contratemps, get more coverage and should they? >> yes and yes. until you can draw a straight line, not a quid pro quo, this person got a job or this, to the foundation taking money and because of the money, it affected her decision-making as secretary of state as far as policy, until that line is drawn, this all goes into a blur. it's not an appointment here, appointment there. other than that, it goes into what we talked about last week, the murky box and it's also more of the same. we already know hillary clinton doesn't tell the truth, is a politician, plays quid pro quo. we know that. it's baked in. >> i think the thing that would break through, they should all get more scrutiny and the press really needs to ask itself whether it's disregarding things because they're old. that plays into what the clintons want to spin, which is this is an old scandal. they have to show she made decisions or the state department made decisions under her authority that were against the government interests, the public interest. >> exactly. >> in order to help a donor. >> exactly. >> some of these things may be edging in that direction but no
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one's proven that exact linkage in a way in any of these new controversies. it will be interesting to see the evidence from the investigation of the e-mails. >> here's a story the clinton side is pushing today. "new york times" is reporting an anti-corruption investigation in ukraine has uncovered a secret record that appears to catalog more than $12 million in unseemly or cash payments made to trump's campaign manager paul manafort between 2007 and '12. his ties to russian ukrainian interest have been previously reported but the new claims provide fresh fodder for opponents who have raised questions about the political consulting work he's done abroad. last night, clinton's campaign manager put out a statement, quote, donald trump has responsibility to disclose campaign chair paul manafort's and all other advisors ties to
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russian or pro-kremlin entities. manafort issued his own responsibility, quote, the suggestion that i accepted cash payments is unfounded, silly and nonsensical. there is no evidence of any cash payments made to me by officials in ukraine. should this get more coverage? is anything going to stick? >> it should get more coverage. lots of people who work at senior levels in campaigns get money. in this case, the "new york times" story is a little bit soft in the sense that there's no proof. they have seen handwritten ledgers. there's no other evidence i read in that story but trump has made a big deal about ties to russia. he said a lot of controversial things about ukraine, about the relationship between the three countries. it's going to get scrutiny and should. >> yeah. i would say this is an automatic who cares because he's a political operative. they are paid guns. except to your point, there's just been too much putin, trump, russia, buddies, we will go after terrorists together and
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now all of a sudden this operative is in there. it just kind of has a yuck feel to it. i don't think anything is going to stick. i put it in the same as the hillary box. >> what trump has said about alliances with russia, it's not so different than the current administration policy. we have alliances with russia all over the world. his failure to repudiate the worst aspects of putinism brings this not just on him but on manafort and anyone else around him. but as with everybody, the presumption should be there's nothing here until there's more evidence. the story was interesting but it didn't prove he got any money. we knew he got paid money while working in that part of the world. needs to be more investigation. when we come back, we will have trump's senior advise oor boris epstein on set to talk about trump's speech today. where we explore. protecting biodiversity. everywhere we work. defeating malaria. improving energy efficiency. developing more clean burning natural gas. my job? my job at exxonmobil?
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>> but is he the favorite or the underdog? the polls suggest he's an underdog. >> i would say at this point in time if america is looking at the two options it's a binary option, trump is the favorite. >> want to give you a theory. say hello to the folks. i believe trump has nine deadly sins listing all the things he's done and said. we don't have to go through all of them, the e maims a-mails an and whatnot. the speech today, unless he walks them back and said i was doing it for a reason, i want to apologize to the khans, i think the deadly sins stick with him. i don't believe he can go forward without taking two steps back. >> it's my third campaign. unfortunately the first two were losers. i was on mccain and romney. from experience, i will tell you that going back and relitigating old issues never works, one. two, he's not going to do it because he wasn't wrong in any one of those. we can talk about that, we can disagree. reasonable people can. >> then he's not going to win. >> going forward, driving the
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message home of national security and the economy, and the third issue being national security and the economy, he will win the election. 70% of people in this country feel the country is going the wrong direction. 70%. that's a huge number. why would those people, 70% of those people, give four more years to clinton/obama? doesn't make sense. >> makes complete sense. they feel he's dangerous. the numbers tell you that. >> what does donald trump think of vladimir putin? >> you have to ask donald trump. in the speech today he made it very clear russia is a country that could be used in the fight against syria. he has been tough on russia at other points. >> he thinks putin's a good guy or bad guy? >> you have to ask trump. >> you live in new york? >> yeah. >> he said for a long time he would win new york. new poll shows him down 30. is he still going to win new york? >> 85 days left. >> he could still win new york? >> absolutely. every state's in play. >> every state? >> doesn't mean the campaign
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will concentrate on every state but every state's in play 85 days out. >> you like his chances in new york? >> i like his chances overall to win the presidency. is new york going to be a challenge? yes. can he win new york? absolutely. >> i think you guys lose credibility by saying we made mistakes here and new york is not in play. people are not stupid. when they see numbers like 50 to 25, when they see the polling numbers, you can't just all of a sudden say the polls are not right when he ran on the polls to get elected. there's got to be some turn somewhere. you can't just keep saying things are okay, things are going the right direction because they're not. >> well, what i'm saying is this. i'm saying new york is a state that 85 days off we are not going to write off. one. overall as far as the national polls go, the l.a. times has us winning one point. the bloomberg reuters poll is within five or six. that's very close. this is the dog days of summer, right? everything is going to tighten. american people will make up their minds in september, october and very much in november. there's three debates coming up.
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we are confident donald trump will deliver the message he's much stronger than hillary clinton on national security and the economy. then you have to go back to who hillary clinton is as a candidate. she's someone who has failed throughout her career in private practice, failed in hillary care, inconsequential senator and one of the worst secretaries of state if not the worst this country has ever seen. look all over the world. we are worse off than when she became secretary of state. she failed that tryout. >> when we come back, we will continue the conversation, add some more people. you totaled your brand new car. nobody's hurt, but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. wh are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
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he is a stunning ignoramus on foreign policy issues. >> i have no doubt putin thinks he's an unwitting agent of the russian federation. >> this is not somebody who should be handed the nuclear codes. whnchlgts >> what is the time frame between his decision and the time the nuclear weapons are launched?
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>> it's a system designed for speed and decisiveness. >> that was a new bit of web video out from the clinton campaign which fooeatures some republicans questioning trump's foreign policy chops. tim miller, cofounder of america rising pac and former communications director for jeb bush's campaign and joining us from d.c., chief strategist for the pro clinton super pac, guy cecil, join us. some more funky news today out about hillary and some appointments. every day it's e-mails, every day it's foundation. it's clink, clink. when does that glass break? at some point? >> no. i think the facts are that as we move through this entire process from the partisan republican committee reviews of benghazi through multiple looks at the e-mails from the state department through the fbi director's press conference, we
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arrive really at the same conclusions which is that hillary clinton apologized for using her own server, but at the end of the day what you said is exactly right. there continues to be new information but nothing really new in terms of how she performed as secretary of state and certainly in an election between two people, when you compare what's being said about hillary clinton compared to what donald trump said today in his speech, there really is no contest on who is actually prepared to be commander in chief. that's why republican senators, former cia directors, leaders in the military, have pretty consistently and almost unanimously said that donald trump is unfit to be president of the united states. >> tim, you are not supporting trump. are you supporting anyone in this race? >> not supporting anyone in this race. trump is by far the worst option, though. i hate to agree with guy because look, hillary has given the republicans so many opportunities here both on foreign policy where we could have had a nominee giving a speech today that made a credible critique of her state
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department record, or we could have had a nominee that is not a pat pathological liar who could have criticized her about her lying with the e-mails but we are stuck with donald trump. i thought his speech today was completely out of step with where republicans should be on foreign policy in the post-world war ii consensus. i think he's the worst nominee on foreign policy of either party since world war ii. >> of all these clinton controversies out there, which one do you think is most likely to catch a spark with voters, if correctly publicized by the trump campaign? >> trump's not going to correctly publicize it so it doesn't really matter. i think the e-mail scandal is probably the one that's the most damaging in addition to her just disastrous tenure as secretary of state overall, more than any specific scandal. but look, donald trump is not capable of litigating this case. boris might be better. >> i know there's great frustration in the trump campaign, what they see as
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unequal coverage involving the two sides. the press does not have a great history of being super friendly to the clintons. why would it be the media wouldn't be covering clinton controversies as much as it always has? >> you have to ask the press. >> what's your theory? >> i don't have a theory. all i want to do is win an election. that's 85 days from now. i don't want to spend time wondering why the press covers something or doesn't. the case in point is over the last week you had 44 more e-mails come out that hillary clinton did not turn over even though she said she did. she perjured herself in front of congress when she said all pertinent e-mails were turned over. that was perjury. three fbi field offices wanted to pursue some sort of indictment against the clinton foundation but the doj, department of justice run by loretta lynch, a lifetime friend of the clintons, clamped that down. these are huge issues. let's not forget the lebanese nigerian businessman gave $1 billion to the clinton global initiative and asked for favors which he probably received. >> trump is not used to being a
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loser, we hear in the campaign he's cranky and frustrated because he wants to do what he was doing during the primary season. how's the man? how's his head? >> i will tell you for a fact as of this morning, this is a candidate who is 100% focused on winning, who is 100% energized and is fully set on going to the next 85 days and winning this ection. as far as the in-fightg, that's incorrect. the campaign is focused and united. >> who is running the campaign. >> paul manafort is the manager of the campaign. donald trump is the candidate. >> if he's going to make one call what do i do tomorrow morning, who is that call to? >> that's up to donald trump. >> tim miller, you have a question for boris? >> i love this. >> do i have a question? i didn't have one off the top of my head but watching the last segment, i'm just curious, boris is living on earth, too, where donald trump he thinks has a chance to win new york and connecticut. so my question is, do you think donald trump should spend a single cent in new york or connecticut between now and
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november? >> as far as connecticut goes, going to connecticut on saturday was a great play. hillary clinton was down for two days, maybe napping, who knows. donald trump was in connecticut gave a great rally but that was covered all over the country, on all the networks. that was a positive. as far as spending money in connecticut and new york, if that puts you in position to actually win but b, gets you coverage all over the country, of course. spend the money. >> guy, what do you think of the forays into connecticut? >> i would strongly encourage boris to spend a significant amount of money in new york and connecticut. i think that is a terrific strategy on the part of the trump campaign. it shows that they are forward thinking and i think it is a terrific idea. >> trumpian sarcasm. >> trumpian sarcasm, i can tell. [ speaking simultaneously ] >> less than a minute left. guy, do you have a question? >> i mean, i would just like to know if this is donald trump focused 100% on winning, what would donald trump focused 50%
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on winning look like, because today, he's losing everything. >> he would look like hillary clinton. >> that was rhetorical. less than a minute. quick question? >> what was hillary clinton doing all weekend? why wasn't she out there trying to woo voters? >> he's in the super pac. he's not allowed to know. >> i'll tell you she was in the hamptons. >> last two days, saturday, sunday, nobody knows. bottom line is again, 85 days. the people have a binary choice. there are only two candidates in this race. you have the choice between a life-long liar and failure in hillary clinton and life-long success and will be a great president, donald trump. >> got to break it here. we'll be right back. i work as professional mountain guide and the surface pro 4 allows me to actually operate my business from everest. i help clients achieve their dreams. being able to go between having a laptop and having a tablet is really important to me... i couldn't do that with my mac. i love that we as humans can go to the top of the world. it's the durability...the reliability...it's incredible.
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we are back here with us in studio, tim miller, co-founder of the super pac america rising and an avowed anti-trumper. one of america's leading anti-trumpers, i feel comfortable saying. in washington, guy cecil, from the super pac priorities usa. we were working on some reporting that i wasn't able to finish up on before we came on air. i'm hoping you can help us out. a source familiar with the buying for your super pac says you are scaling back in three states, in virginia, where you already scaled back your buy, and then in colorado and pennsylvania. three states that public polls show hillary clinton way ahead. is it true that your super pac
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is scaling back your buying in those states? >> we are. as you know, we are constantly making assessments about how to make sure we are spending our money efficiently and effectively. it's why we expanded our campaign into north carolina. we are looking at other states as well. but as of right now, we are significantly reducing our spending in those three states. >> you are reducing just to be clear you think her need is big enough you don't need to be on the air there? >> that's correct. we are constantly assessing where we are. we take this on a week by week basis. we are not taking anything for granted. we know that virginia and colorado and pennsylvania have been relatively close elections over the course of the last two or three cycles. for now we will look at other opportunities to expand the map and potentially reach out to new voters as well through voter registration and on the ground efforts in some key states. >> again, my understanding is this reduction, going off the air in those states goes through
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about september 20th. that's a couple week period. are you banking that money and saving it for later dates, or are you moving it to other states? >> we will be moving it both to other states but also into other activities. one of the things about the work we have been doing is we are not just focusing on persuadable swing voters in the suburbs. we think it's actually really critical to use this opportunity to expand our party, to increase registration and turnout among key democratic constituencies like hispanics, african-americans, younger voters, unmarried women. so we are going to be looking for opportunities in places like florida and places like ohio to begin doing work on the ground with registration and turnout. it will be some combination of both of those things. we don't expect on making any changes to our current map before labor day. >> this is actually critical. it needs to be a wake-up call to the republican party. despite boris thinking that donald trump can win new york, the presidential race is over.
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right now, hillary clinton plus guy's super pac has $15 million on the air in north carolina and they are looking to register voters there and bring out voters. we have a competitive senate ce in north carolina. donald trump has nada. not a single cent on tv in north carolina. it's absolutely critical that all the republican groups start to focus their efforts on going to states like north carolina, trying to save people like richard burr so we can have a check on president hillary clinton. >> you were jeb's communication director. different game when there are 16 people. you see such a flawed candidate at this point. what would you do over differently? >> i think the republican electorate it was not the right year for a candidate like jeb. if you look at jeb, marco, kasich, through in christie who was talking about expanding the party, having an optimistic vision of the future, they have less than a third of the vote. it's not like boy, had we had one zinger it would have been different. sure, we would have done things
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differently but the party was not in a place for it this year. i think if ted cruz was the nominee, that's why when jeb dropped out i started working for an anti-trump pac. then we wouldn't be in this place. they would have at least had ads up in colorado and virginia. right now we need to stave off a landslide. >> guy, tim says the presidential race is over. do you agree with that? >> no. i mean, it is still august. >> you are not on the air in virginia. you agree with that. you can just say it. you're not on the air in virginia. the race is over if you're not on the air in virginia. come on. >> actually, i don't think so. i think we have to stay focused in places like florida and ohio, places like new hampshire. not only because we have the presidential race there which is going to be determinative of whether we win or lose the presidency but also because of critical senate states around the country. it's important not only that hillary clinton is inaugurated but that she has a senate that
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she can work with that has the same values that share the same values as we democrats, independents and fair-minded republicans. i think we will stay focused on the prize all the way through the election. >> can you imagine a scenario where, if republicans start diverting money away from the top of the ticket, you all might start spending money on senate races? >> we are constantly looking at all the options out there. i don't think it's something we would rule out. right now, our focus is on making sure hillary clinton not only wins but wins in as many places and among as many people as possible. we think that will not only benefit hillary but it will benefit democrats up and down the ticket. >> guy, there are a lot of bernie supporters, obviously she has the majority now, but starting to get squeamish as she starts to edge a little towards the center. there was an article comparing her to mitt romney, kind of one and the same. are you concerned any of those people could be in play if she moves too much further to center? >> well, i would disagree that she is somehow moving since the primary.
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she is still out there talking about raising wages, creating jobs, criminal justice reform, voting rights reform, supporting the lgbt community and aggressive diplomatic foreign policy. so i think that's a misread of, she's still talking about tpp. it's a fundamental misread of what she has been talking about. it's incumbent on every hillary supporter to reach out to bernie sanders supporters. we want to make shoure we exten open arms to every bernie supporter. we want to assure them the things we want to accomplish together is not by sitting out the election but by supporting hillary clinton in november. >> you worked with the republican national committee. we talked about this prospect of shifting resources away from the top of the ticket. who could make that happen? what would have to happen? mitch mcconnell, reince priebus?
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>> it has to be a group effort. part of it comes from donors funneling money to the nrcc and reince working together with mcconnell, with ryan, with the nrsc and nrcc need to make that call. you can do it in not a big poking your finger in trump's eye sort of way at least to start. that's talking about let's shift the turnout resources in states like ohio, north carolina, that already are competitive states, focus more about that because i think there's a legitimate concern about republicans, particularly suburban republicans, just not showing up to vote in presidential states that also have senate race. colorado, for example. >> you and jeb bush, who you worked for, were warned a broad array of traits of trump's you thought would be a problem in a general election. in what ways has he gotten worse than you thought we be? >> he's been exactly the general election candidate i thought he would be.
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we said all last year, before christmas last year we put out a web video from jeb's campaign that said nominating donald trump would mean hillary clinton's inauguration. we had a big fake hillary inauguration video. as far as never trump i predicted in april he could lose south carolina, utah, missouri and georgia and arizona. i think those right now are the toss-up states. when guy talks about expanding the map and expanding the party, you will have him on in a month to talk about arizona. >> my partner here called me a manhattan fantasizer because i said donald trump is not going to allow himself to be george mcgovern. there's a story to be written here. he won't be seen election night. >> i wouldn't be surprised to see him quit the campaign for a couple days. it's hard. you know this. 85 days is hard. i'm not saying he drops out of the race or some fantasy like mike pence is the candidate. >> something's going to happen. >> waking up every morning, i did this with jeb, where the numbers are looking worse and worse, it is tough. guys like jeb have the integrity and dignity to put on a happy face and run an honorable
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campaign. that is not donald trump. >> that's the man. >> i think he will act out. >> tim miller, guy cecil, thank you both. happy to have you on always. next, we head to scranton, p.a. for a dispatch from the campaign trail. this car is traveling over 200 miles per hour. to win, every millisecond matters. both on the track and thousands of miles away. with the help of at&t, red bull racing can share critical information about every inch of the car from virtually anywhere. brakes are getting warm. confirmed, daniel you need to cool your brakes. understood, brake bias back 2 clicks. giving them the agility to have speed & precision. because no one knows & like at&t. hhis stellar notebooks will last through june. get back to great. this week sharpie twelve-packs just three dollars.
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and you won't have to guess when we'll turn up. because after all we should fit into your life. not the other way around. joining us, nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker who was in scranton, pennsylvania covering hillary clinton's rally with vice president joe biden. we saw the tape. it was interesting. katy tur was on last week and i said what do you feel when you're in the rallies, do you feel the hatred that sometimes we see? tell me about what you felt out there today, not what biden said, the vibe in the crowd. >> reporter: yeah. it's a great question. it felt a lot like a homecoming. this is of course his hometown. this is of course biden's element. it's biden being biden.
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not only being on that stage and getting the crowd all riled up but also just afterwards, the moments when he's shaking hands, pressing the flesh. that's when he makes a big difference in these critical swing areas like scranton and of course, pennsylvania, secretary clinton has a hefty lead but clearly the campaign not taking that for granted. they are hoping an appearance by biden here will also help in neighboring ohio. of course, that's also a critical battleground state. lot of white working class blue collar voters who live in these regions that will really make a difference in this race. but he was on fire today. he really slammed donald trump, called him the most unprepared candidate in history when it comes to foreign policy and he ticked off a number of reasons why, including the fact that he said president obama founded isis and the fact that he has praised leaders like putin and saddam hussein. it was really those moments, those one-on-one interactions that he had that i think makes a big difference. >> you have been following the secretary of state around for awhile. she seems to be getting looser.
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obviously the numbers, the wind at her back, i'm feeling a kind of just certain comfortableness in her own skin i haven't seen before. >> reporter: i think you have started to see that both after she's kind of had these big wins during the primary, you started to see her get more and more comfortable. you are absolutely right, in these type of campaign events and again, it's in those moments when she's having one-on-one interactions with the crowd and kind of feeding off of that energy, but of course, you are reminded when biden takes the stage of someone who really relishes doing that. i think secretary clinton is growing increasingly to enjoy doing that more and it's something that voters are responding to. remember that has been a big challenge for her in this campaign, winning over voters. that's part of gaining their trust. she still does struggle with those trust issues. biden of course an important character witness for her. he talked a lot about what it was like to work with her, when she was secretary of state during the obama administration
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and they are hoping that those types of character witness statements coming from the vice president and the president himself will help her with that deficit she has with voters' trust. >> extraordinarily unusual for the fbi to ever release investigative data. it almost never has happened in my experience covering washington and the fbi. they plan to do it apparently in the case of hillary clinton. is the campaign objecting to that, asking why they are being subject to unusual treatment or do they welcome it? >> reporter: let me tell you why that stands. they object to what are known as the 302s, the notes from secretary clinton's fbi interviews just being released to select law makers. their argument is if you are going to release those notes, release them to the public. the reason why clinton campaign officials say if you just release them to law makers, they are subject then to just have portions of them, select portions leaked out. that's what they are concerned about, they could be used as a political weapon without the public really seeing the broader
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context. very important to note that these are not the transcripts, they are the notes. republican lawmakers have really been ramping up the pressure on the fbi to release them. director james comey indicated that's something he wants to do. i will tell you we learned today that the state department is holding up the process, saying hey, wait a minute, before any of this is released, we want to review it. so that's where the discussions stand right now. no timeline yet on when or if the notes are actually going to be released. but you are absolutely right, this is something that is incredibly rare. the clinton campaign taking issue with that as well, saying that it's clearly political, that it's being done so quickly. >> thank you so much. kristen welker. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪
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during her tenure as advisor to the secretary of state and the scrutiny she's under because of it. thanks for watching. sayonara. coming up, "hardball with chris matthews." trump takes on terrorists. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. for the third monday in a row, donald trump is trying to regain the offensive after three weeks of slipping poll numbers that have damaged his competitive position. today in what was billed as a major speech on foreign policy, trump laid out new details about how he would fight terrorism at home and abroad. it comes after trump last week accused both president obama and hillary clinton of being the founders of isis. well, today he attacked clinton, saying she lacked, catch this, the mental and

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